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Post by JCEurovision on May 13, 2018 18:45:55 GMT -5
This year's Eurovision really did not go beyond my expectations. Overzealous Eurofans let Czech Republic qualify and eliminate Azerbaijan, let Denmark qualify and eliminate Romania, and letting Israel win. I thought that the televoters would agree with the jury votes, but they didn't and so, they chose to ignore Salvador Sobral's message last year and went back to fastfood music. What a disgrace.
If you want to know how rigged it is, here is the "exciting" televoting sequence:
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Post by wwtbamfangamer on May 14, 2018 7:00:48 GMT -5
How is it rigged when it came to ones opinion and vote? I agree that Israel isn't the best winner in recent years, but branding this as a "disgrace" is a step too far. We don't have to agree with everyone's opinion (this case the Jury) and we just need to move on.
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Post by JCEurovision on May 14, 2018 7:58:15 GMT -5
How is it rigged when it came to ones opinion and vote? I agree that Israel isn't the best winner in recent years, but branding this as a "disgrace" is a step too far. We don't have to agree with everyone's opinion (this case the Jury) and we just need to move on. Move on? I don't think so, because the moment it happened, more disliked it anyway. |
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Post by wwtbamfangamer on May 14, 2018 9:39:54 GMT -5
Look, it's another year for Eurovision. Anything can happen even if we don't like it, it's done and over with. So what if more people disliked it, it's the way you expressed your opinion that concerns.
And besides, if you look and understand the lyrics of the winning song, that the song is sending a message that you don't have to be what people want you to be and you are your own person and be what you want to be.
The way it's composed may not be everyone's choice, but it is meaningful
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Post by millionaireloveruk on May 14, 2018 10:12:04 GMT -5
There's very little denying that Isreal's song was... Questionable, at best. However, one very, very worrying thing I'm seeing today with lots of people is the idea that 'if you disagree with me you're wrong, stupid and disgraceful!'. Everyone is entitled to be (very largely) free in their opinions, and if you can't handle opposition to your ideas and thoughts, then that is worrying to say the least. In terms of your claim of Eurovision being 'rigged': What do you even mean by that? People voting for the song they liked the most is in no way rigged. If Eurovision is rigged at all, it will be rigged by how political it's become in recent years. From what I saw, quite a few of the countries that only got one 12-pointer received it from one of their geographical neighbours. There also clearly seems to be some kind of animosity towards the UK due to the Brexit vote, but oh well. It doesn't matter. As wwtbamfangamer rightly said, it's time to move on from it. |
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Post by JCEurovision on May 14, 2018 10:13:07 GMT -5
Look, it's another year for Eurovision. Anything can happen even if we don't like it, it's done and over with. So what if more people disliked it, it's the way you expressed your opinion that concerns. And besides, if you look and understand the lyrics of the winning song, that the song is sending a message that you don't have to be what people want you to be and you are your own person and be what you want to be. The way it's composed may not be everyone's choice, but it is meaningful This year turned into a political circus freakshow, I'm sorry. The televoters this year chose to ignore Salvador Sobral's message last year. Eurovision is now a political contest watched by the hoi polloi who chose cheap and trashy fastfood music over real and authentic music. |
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Post by millionaireloveruk on May 14, 2018 10:36:24 GMT -5
If it really bothers you that much, then simply don't watch it. Also, if people want the type of songs that were on there this year, then that's what they want! And if it's now watched by 'The Many' (meaning of hoi polloi), then who was it watched by before?
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Post by wwtbamfangamer on May 14, 2018 11:01:01 GMT -5
I am going to pull out of this now, but all I can say is that you don't like the song, it's done and over with, you can't change anything at all. Next year it would be in Israel (or elsewhere in extreme circumstances) and we've got more things to worry about than the winning song that people love/hate
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2018 11:13:00 GMT -5
I'll leave you with a short #protip: Stop watching ESC if this is still bothering you.
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Post by JCEurovision on May 14, 2018 16:48:01 GMT -5
I am going to pull out of this now, but all I can say is that you don't like the song, it's done and over with, you can't change anything at all. Next year it would be in Israel (or elsewhere in extreme circumstances) and we've got more things to worry about than the winning song that people love/hate Moving on from it won't work, wwtbamfangamer. Eurovision is now a political circus show rather than a musical competition, look at some fans who saw their countries' dismal placing. Australia, Spain, Ireland, you name it. All I can say is that moving on won't sugarcoat the bitter reality that the televoters this year chose to ignore Salvador Sobral's message of "victory of decent music" and go back to cheesy fastfood music. This song didn't sang from the heart, so I am sorry. If people don't watch Eurovision anymore, have it their way. Nothing can solve this matter but anger, fury, and disgust. |
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Post by millionaireloveruk on May 14, 2018 18:02:04 GMT -5
So your reaction to some poxy pop song winning Eurovision is that of ‘fury, anger and disgust’? It’s something you simply can’t move on from without having a hissy fit about it first?
Yes, the music in Eurovision is mostly awful, I agree. However, in no way whatsoever does it warrant anything close to this kind of reaction.
With all due respect, get a grip. There are so many worse things than a bad song winning some stupid competition.
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Post by JCEurovision on May 14, 2018 18:42:18 GMT -5
millionaireloveruk, actually it is not my reaction, it is a reaction accepted by the people that the televoters ruined songs with great chances of qualifying or winning this year. And, it is not hissy fit, it is a fact that with producers deciding the running order draw, revamping the voting system similar to Melodifestivalen, announcing the spokespersons only the 12 points, and exponential jury voting, it is more of a political game rather than a song contest. You said it to me that if Eurovision was rigged at all, it would be rigged by how political it became in recent years. Well, what those reasons above showed the proof. With all due respect, that theory cannot be changed no matter how many times you look at it. Last year's winner showed real music, this year's winner showed fastfood music, and I will never support that music.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2018 19:01:02 GMT -5
Please, can we close this thread before this goes overly political over here? Thank you.
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Post by millionaireloveruk on May 15, 2018 3:19:08 GMT -5
There are so many hypocrisies in that last post it’s untrue. I’m not going to continue this debate anymore as clearly you’re not open to other ideas. Dogmatism is fine, but there’s no need whatsoever to get so angry.
I’ll finish with this point: You =/= the whole of the Eurovision viewship. Clearly, they wanted the Israeli song to win, otherwise they would not have voted for it.
And that is all I have to say on this stupid, petty matter.
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Post by wwtbamfangamer on May 15, 2018 9:52:38 GMT -5
Wait a moment, when things don't go your way, you end up having a big rant and expecting people to believe and go with everything you say. Well I'm sorry but the world, even Eurovision and The X Factor, doesn't work like that.
And, in your words 'fury, anger and disgust' won't change anything at all. It didn't change the winner in 2016, it didn't bring back the old voting system and it sure won't change the winner of this year's contest.
Get a grip of yourself and move on, it's over for another year.
And just for your info, that winning song did came from the heart. The artist presented a song that is different and the message is that we are all different and shouldn't be what other people want us to be as well as female empowerment.
Even a fan like you should've understood that
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) I guess the next on will be Poland then...
