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Post by JCEurovision on May 15, 2018 18:01:33 GMT -5
Wait a moment, when things don't go your way, you end up having a big rant and expecting people to believe and go with everything you say. Well I'm sorry but the world, even Eurovision and The X Factor, doesn't work like that. And, in your words 'fury, anger and disgust' won't change anything at all. It didn't change the winner in 2016, it didn't bring back the old voting system and it sure won't change the winner of this year's contest. Get a grip of yourself and move on, it's over for another year. And just for your info, that winning song did came from the heart. The artist presented a song that is different and the message is that we are all different and shouldn't be what other people want us to be as well as female empowerment. Even a fan like you should've understood that ... I'm sorry, but there are songs that came from the heart are more deserving than that. In the words of last year's winner, Salvador Sobral, "We live in a world of disposable music; fast food music without any content. I think this could be a victory for music with people who make music that actually means something." I'm afraid that this year's winning song doesn't represent what he said, so with all due respect, accept the fact that Eurovision is now a political arena rather than a musical competition. Last year's winning song came from the heart, this year's winning song did not. |
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Post by RegisFan on May 15, 2018 20:02:42 GMT -5
I’m all for healthy debate, but this is getting a bit intense for a thread about a singing competition. I don’t want to have to lock the thread, but I will if I need to. Let’s keep it civil and remember to respect everyone’s opinion.
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Post by realdeo on May 16, 2018 11:09:31 GMT -5
I am triggered very hard.
Two pointers
1. Quick reminder that the Israeli song is the most watched Eurovision entry compared to other 2018 entries even before the contest started by a HUGE margin, from get go. As a comparison, even Salvador Dali's song lost to Occidentalis Karma in terms of viewer count back in 2017. Salvador Dali is perhaps a dark horse, only become the front runner in booker like 24~48 hours before Grand Final.
I feel like the fact that the televoting result is quite consistent with the Youtube trend shows that people were genuinely hyped for the Isreali song and that translates to people voting for him.
Now, you could argue that "BUT PEOPLE WERE WATCHING ISRAEL BECAUSE THEY ARE POLITICALLY ALIGNED WITH ISRAEL, NOT BECAUSE THEY LIKE IT," then I would say that if that assertion is true, how come Israel goes up from #23 in 2017 to #1 in 2018? If this is all a game of political support, then Israel should have been consistently on the top due to consistent political support, instead of going from rock bottom to rock top.
2. In addition to that, remember that Israel is known to be at disadvantage since they
a) don't have voting block (Ex-Soviet Union usually trades score with each other. Balkan usually trades score with each other. Ireland, UK, Australia trades score with each other) so the fact that they still win despite they don't have natural ally makes it even more impressive.
b) politically controversial. Eurovision is not kind to country with human violation record (looks at Russia) so the fact that Israel can overcomes it despite the tension gets higher means something.
Speaking about this song doesn't live up to Salvador Dali's message, I kinda agree, but the correct conclusion is NOT "because this is just a political game" but "because people's taste are s-h-i-t."
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Post by JCEurovision on May 16, 2018 18:37:58 GMT -5
I am triggered very hard. Two pointers 1. Quick reminder that the Israeli song is the most watched Eurovision entry compared to other 2018 entries even before the contest started by a HUGE margin, from get go. As a comparison, even Salvador Dali's song lost to Occidentalis Karma in terms of viewer count back in 2017. Salvador Dali is perhaps a dark horse, only become the front runner in booker like 24~48 hours before Grand Final. I feel like the fact that the televoting result is quite consistent with the Youtube trend shows that people were genuinely hyped for the Isreali song and that translates to people voting for him. Now, you could argue that "BUT PEOPLE WERE WATCHING ISRAEL BECAUSE THEY ARE POLITICALLY ALIGNED WITH ISRAEL, NOT BECAUSE THEY LIKE IT," then I would say that if that assertion is true, how come Israel goes up from #23 in 2017 to #1 in 2018? If this is all a game of political support, then Israel should have been consistently on the top due to consistent political support, instead of going from rock bottom to rock top. 2. In addition to that, remember that Israel is known to be at disadvantage since they a) don't have voting block (Ex-Soviet Union usually trades score with each other. Balkan usually trades score with each other. Ireland, UK, Australia trades score with each other) so the fact that they still win despite they don't have natural ally makes it even more impressive. b) politically controversial. Eurovision is not kind to country with human violation record (looks at Russia) so the fact that Israel can overcomes it despite the tension gets higher means something. Speaking about this song doesn't live up to Salvador Dali's message, I kinda agree, but the correct conclusion is NOT "because this is just a political game" but "because people's taste are s-h-i-t." It's Salvador Sobral, not Dali. Besides, overzealous and triggered Eurofans voted for it just because of "chicken sounds". Had they listened to Sobral's message, then either they would've agreed with the jury because the jury voted for Austria or Germany OR they would've chose songs that live up to his message. But, they didn't and chose "fast food music without any content". As I said to wwtbamfangamer, there are songs that came from the heart which are better than that, say France, Spain, Lithuania, Moldova, Bulgaria, Albania, Ireland, you name it. However, I really don't like the entries from Czech Republic, Denmark, Hungary, and Armenia. Overzealous Eurofans triggered and voted for them, anyway, leading to the non-qualification of Azerbaijan, Romania, and Russia, as well as strong contenders like Croatia, Malta, Georgia, Greece, Latvia, Belgium, you name that as well. |
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) I guess the next on will be Poland then...
