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Post by timuukun on Jul 5, 2018 1:06:24 GMT -5
Hello Millionaire people, First of all, I'll say unashamedly: I'm a newb, and skittish around forums in general ever since a bad experience with the Sonic the Hedgehog community a long time ago. I get that making my first post an audition post is not the traditional route for approval by any community, but the truth is that the fan games board is the entire reason why I became interested in this forum to begin with. So, like a true game show contestant, I figured I might as well go all-in and apply for the thing that really holds my interest. My story is this: for many years, I thought I had made the most accurate Who Wants to be a Millionaire (or, more specifically, Super Millionaire) recreation game out there. It was done in Apple Keynote '09, and unfortunately doesn't play at all except on older Macs (running 10.12 or earlier, due to software having moved on radically since I completed it). Still, you guys can judge its accuracy for yourselves: www.dropbox.com/s/a0f0tvwsf7jg1m6/Who%20Wants%20to%20Be%20a%20Super%20Millionaire-Primate%20Edition.key?dl=0That's it, configured to use questions from the only project I ever really used it for (an A.P. Biology presentation. Yes, I made this while in high school). Most graphics were either created by me or ripped from official sources; I got the audio from somewhere I can't remember, but it purported to be official. The truth is: it was almost impossible to use to build real games. Keynote, although visually appealing, lacks any sort of scripting mechanisms whatsoever, so building a simple 15-question set in this Keynote took multiple hours. Still, it was always a point of pride for me to have built this game...until, that is, I discovered the FlaminOne/Osswmi millionaire recreations, which put my work to shame with their flexibility and accuracy. In essence, those games drove me to this forum; to this very post, in fact. In the intermediate years, I graduated from college with a CS degree and have worked on other games, but game shows (and Millionaire specifically) continue to be a fascination for me. I have also used the publicly available FlaminOne games to great effect on small audiences: namely Japanese high school students, while I've been living abroad on the JET Program. I won't deny that I do have tremendous interest in using the rest of the FlaminOne/Osswmi games for personal use (read: in my classroom), but I also think I am an intelligent, educated computer scientist who would stand to learn tremendously from having access to the fan games posted in this forum. Hopefully, with a little time and effort, I'll even be able to contribute. So there you have it: the honest, straight truth. I'm happy to answer PMs or undergo further voire-dire as necessary. The rest is in your hands, forum members. ~Timuukun |
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Post by Peachfanclub on Jul 5, 2018 2:08:54 GMT -5
Let me just say that I think it's cool that you've made your own WWTBAM runner software, even though I can't play it since I'm on Windows. I also think it's cool that other fan-created software has led you to appreciate Millionaire more.
I understand why people who have software to share may rush to apply for access into the Fan Games section. Since the rules allow this, that's fine by me. The trouble is, I for one don't really know who you are outside of this one post. It doesn't help that, at least according to you, I'm not able to use your software since I don't have a Mac, even though I have to imagine it plays very well.
I get that the Fan Games section is a popular attraction to new members of the forum, but as you might expect, for the protection of everything that gets posted there, Fan Games Access is granted only to those who have garnered the trust of other site members, whether here or somewhere else. Furthermore, you may recall that the official procedure states that spending some time in the discussion boards prior to auditioning is highly encouraged. You have not broken any rules here, but judging by this single post you've made, I don't have nearly enough information to determine if I find you trustworthy. To your credit, you seem to have potential to be a reputable member here. You might consider sticking around for a while and participating in the forum discussion. Do that and you'll have a much more successful audition next time. For now, I'm going to have to vote in the negative, sorry.
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Post by Gagamillionaire on Jul 5, 2018 2:11:19 GMT -5
I don‘t think somethink you created years ago is really enough to qualify you as a game creator. So I‘m going to treat this as a "regular" audition.
First off, I take issue with people coming to this forum only for the Fan Games section. And you're honest about this, but it's still disrespectful. When somebody uploads their software to the Fan Games section, there's a reason for that: They want to share their creations with trustworthy people. How can we know you're trustworthy when we don't know you? This place is first and foremost a community, not a self service store. If you don't want to be a part of it, you shouldn't have access to the things people share with the community, either.
Therefore, it's a no from me. If you decide you'd like to get to know us after all, I'll be more than happy to reconsider in due time.
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Post by exambolor on Jul 5, 2018 2:46:54 GMT -5
It's gonna have to be a no. This is your first post and you need to have been active on the forum for a certain amount of time. Join in the discussion, contribute well and then you should get a yes  |
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Post by timuukun on Jul 5, 2018 4:28:12 GMT -5
Ok, it's clear we're not a good fit. Sorry to have wasted your time.
My parting thoughts:
To me, it seems wrong to have something people want, and deny them access to it based on a need to be a member of a "community." Now, I don't dispute the value of a community, or a need to keep things private. If the by-products of this community were contained to the members themselves, not shared except by private messaging services, and not publicized or distributed except by word-of-mouth, I could at least respect that. However, this is a public forum, which generates public interest. When members post YouTube videos and other media publicizing their work and the forum in which it was shared, seemingly for no other purpose than to brag about their own accomplishments and the fact that they are a member of an exclusive society, that seems...I think the best word for it is "juvenile." Being in the public eye and advertising as members of this forum do, should, I think, apply a higher standard to the community as a whole.
I think all information should be free, open source, and available for the good of all users, especially when a forum is publicly accessible like this one. I would encourage you to think about changing your policies. Or at least revise the rules about acceptable advertising of material contained within this private community.
No hard feelings, I just hope you can think about what I've said.
~Timuukun
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Post by Peachfanclub on Jul 5, 2018 4:51:07 GMT -5
Um... no, we can’t just make the Fan Games section public...
Anyway, bye I guess?
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Post by exambolor on Jul 5, 2018 6:21:24 GMT -5
Might change my vote to a perma-no.
Disrespecting the members of the forum and for not reading the rules and understanding that we can't just hand out content.
Going by the wording of your reply, you're only here to get in and run away.
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Post by ThePaSch on Jul 5, 2018 9:49:42 GMT -5
Ok, it's clear we're not a good fit. Sorry to have wasted your time. My parting thoughts: To me, it seems wrong to have something people want, and deny them access to it based on a need to be a member of a "community." Now, I don't dispute the value of a community, or a need to keep things private. If the by-products of this community were contained to the members themselves, not shared except by private messaging services, and not publicized or distributed except by word-of-mouth, I could at least respect that. However, this is a public forum, which generates public interest. When members post YouTube videos and other media publicizing their work and the forum in which it was shared, seemingly for no other purpose than to brag about their own accomplishments and the fact that they are a member of an exclusive society, that seems...I think the best word for it is "juvenile." Being in the public eye and advertising as members of this forum do, should, I think, apply a higher standard to the community as a whole. I think all information should be free, open source, and available for the good of all users, especially when a forum is publicly accessible like this one. I would encourage you to think about changing your policies. Or at least revise the rules about acceptable advertising of material contained within this private community. No hard feelings, I just hope you can think about what I've said. ~Timuukun
I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding about what the Fan Games section is about, or why it's restricted. You might be understandably frustrated that you aren't going to get access - as a completely random person whose trustworthiness has not been established in the slightest, might I add - but to throw accusations and uninformed criticism around without even understanding why it's necessary to keep the section gated is the only "juvenile" thing I can see here. Perhaps you're projecting, perhaps you're just frustrated and want to vent your frustration in a less-than-ideal way, but regardless, this post doesn't put yourself in the best light, and it does not make you look very mature. It also shows that you have not read any of the responses from the other members in this thread - perhaps outside of the fact that they are all "no"s - because they shed more than enough light on why this restriction is necessary.
The fact is that A) the projects showcased in the Fan Games section use material that is not meant for public use, and which was - partly, at least - shared with the owners and moderators of this community by people officially involved with the conception and production of the show, on the basis that it only ever be shared with trustworthy members of said community. I'm all for the free flow of information, but this is stuff that is not meant to be, and will never be meant to be, public.
And as for B), (presumably) being a content creator yourself, you should be well aware of the fact that creations - especially high-sought-after ones like the projects showcased in the Fan Games forum - are almost never treated with the confidentiality their creators would value and hope for. You hand one of those games out to the wrong person, and you will have protected and stolen material showcased on public places, uploaded for the general public when it was never meant to, and, at worst, but unfortunately also at the most common, falsely represented as having been made by the person who stole it, not the person who actually originally created it. Content stealing and misattribution are huge problems that we've been dealing with for ages - including incidents where content that was posted inside the section was still stolen and uploaded elsewhere. This has already caused several contributors to pull their content from the section because they could not be sure that this would not happen again. This has also caused people who received master-quality music from the Strachans in confidentiality, on the basis that it would only ever be shared with trustworthy users, to completely stop distributing that music. In short, it has caused a lot of fantastic, high-quality content to be lost to the community because of the actions of a selfish few.
So, no. This entire audition process doesn't exist so that members can "brag about their own accomplishments and the fact that they are a member of an exclusive society". They exist so that only trustworthy people will get access to that section. Ever since the new forum lock system has been introduced - where access is handled by user levels instead of a forum password - there have been significantly fewer leaks, and the hope is that trust can be restored to an extent that all this exclusive and rare content may be shared and enjoyed by the members once more, but you should understand that this certainly won't happen if we allow any random passerby who happens to just want to hop in quickly and siphon off all the content to do exactly that.
In short, you have given us no reason to trust you. On the contrary, with that presumptuous and immature follow-up post, you have given us every reason to assume that you are here for nothing more than the content. One of the biggest things about this "community" thing you seem to be so eager to put in quotes, as if to question its legitimacy or importance, is that people within it are close to each other. And from closeness blossoms trust. The fact that you do not wish to be part of it merely tells us that you have no intention of building up trust. As such, you will, and should, not be allowed access to the one section in the forum where trust trumps absolute.
So, yes. This is a perma-no from me. I have no reason to believe that your attitude will change, based on the behavior you have displayed here thus far.
No hard feelings; I hope you can just think about what I've said.
I wish you the best of luck with your future endeavors.
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Post by GSK on Jul 5, 2018 10:59:41 GMT -5
I think all information should be free, open source, and available for the good of all users As a content creator myself, let me tell you this is simply not possible, especially when people will choose to steal the hard work of others and give absolutely no credit. I could apply your same logic process to the following examples: - Adobe makes and advertises powerful creation software. They advertise it, so it should be free and open source.
- Honda manufactures and advertises high quality automobiles. They advertise, so these automobiles should be free to everyone.
- Google provides premium features for some of their services as add-ons that are not necessary nor required. They advetise these features, so they should be free.
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Post by FinalAnswer19 on Jul 5, 2018 16:00:31 GMT -5
timuukun, I had high hopes for you, man. For a minute, there, I thought there was a shot you might get in sometime in the future, however, with that last post you made, I have to assume you have not won over any members. Try again in the future, if you wish. But name-calling and telling us our process is messed up will not help your cause. Unless you have anything else to say, we'll lock up this thread.
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Post by millionairefan64 on Jul 6, 2018 11:13:08 GMT -5
I guess I don't really need to pile on here, everything has been said that has to be said however I do have to say though, like the others I don't find you trustworthy to have access so it's a no.
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) I guess the next on will be Poland then...
