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Post by panampat on Apr 19, 2020 16:52:42 GMT -5
Ben Crowl, a very valuable member of the YouTube Millionaire community, has re-edited the full Ingram episode that the official British Millionaire channel put up so that it doesn't have unnecessary extra bits added into it (in other words, it looks like the way it would've aired, minus some banter and extra chat that the official channel annoyingly edited out).
Personally, I've always wondered how people would've reacted to Ingram's run had he and the other two gotten away with it. I watched the full run and I think, if he had gotten away with being the show's third million pound winner, I'd be thinking "He must be the most incredible contestant the show's ever had. I've never seen someone stumble their way through 15 general knowledge questions of increasing difficulty and walk away with that much money. Maybe he knew all the answers but decided to play stupid for the camera. That's gotta be the only explanation. Also, it would seem that September 2001 was a surprisingly expensive month on British Millionaire. They experienced their own David Goodman/Kim Hunt moment and got to give away two top prizes in the space of 2 and a half weeks."
Note: This may be me, but in retrospect and knowing that he cheated and all (and yes, in my mind, he definitely cheated), it's so painfully obvious. His demeanor, it's nervous, yes. But his kind of nervousness is one of a person who has sod all idea what they're doing. Like, you can genuinely tell he didn't know and that he was extremely nervous. There was no confidence in his deliberation process and any of his answers whatsoever.
I want to know. What would you guys have thought of Ingram's if you didn't know he cheated (that is, if he got away with it)? And (this may be a dumb question, but sod it, I'll ask anyway) do you think he cheated and why?
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Post by millionairefan on Apr 19, 2020 17:16:49 GMT -5
One thing I dislike about what the official channel did was they promoted this as the "raw footage" and "as it would have aired" yet you can clearly hear the edits in the audio to "enhance" the 19 significant coughs. Right around the "*cough* No!" part you can hear the music change from what sounds like direct to tape to what sounds like being played through the studio.
I'm by no means saying Ingram was innocent, but I am by no means saying he's guilty either. There's reasonable doubt on both ends of this, and until either Charles confess to it or until the show admits they were accusing him of something he didn't do, which neither of those will happen, we will not know for sure.
Both sides are hiding something though, I'm sure of that.
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Post by millionairenut on Apr 19, 2020 18:19:53 GMT -5
If he had gotten away with it, and he didn’t cheat, I would marveled at his unbelievable luck and bravery to keep going and changing his answers out of nowhere, the fact that he could change answers during the question and somehow be right every single time.
I have no doubt he was guilty. The man didn’t know anything, acted suspiciously, didn’t act believably while trying to cover up.
Example - Charles I think I’m going to go with Holbein.
*Cough*
Charles: Yeah, um, Holbein.
That right there tells me he was doing something.
He maybe could’ve gotten away with it if he walked away earlier, or if he knew some stuff but struggled on a question or two, not every single one. Struggling with that set of questions, plus poor acting, tells me he’s guilty.
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Post by FrankT on Apr 20, 2020 5:49:18 GMT -5
Is it possible to cheat without really knowing it?
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Post by millionairenut on Apr 20, 2020 7:35:54 GMT -5
Is it possible to cheat without really knowing it? What do you mean - is it possible to cheat without other people knowing, or you knowing? Martin Flood’s question on $125,000 comes to mind. Some suspected cheating when someone in the audience coughed when he said the right answer. It was purely coincidence, though. What if the Ingram incident never happened? Could someone have done a more elaborate job and actually pulled this off?? |
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Post by FrankT on Apr 21, 2020 12:19:25 GMT -5
Well... maybe, who can truly say?
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Post by Orange on Apr 21, 2020 15:37:38 GMT -5
I think it's likely that they could have gotten away with it if they were a lot more careful.
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Post by BMG_Games on Apr 21, 2020 15:53:23 GMT -5
I think it's likely that they could have gotten away with it if they were a lot more careful. I vaguely remember that in an old documentary a member of the production staff said something along the lines of if he walked away with £125,000 or so they probably wouldn’t have blocked the cheque. I might be wrong, it’s a long time ago that I’ve seen the documentary. |
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Post by kplewisvox on Apr 21, 2020 16:48:04 GMT -5
No question. If Charles had a brain in the world, he would have walked with £250,000, once he realized he backed himself into a corner with Q14 so badly that anyone with eyes could see what he was doing. If he had stuck to his guns and said "I think it's Berlin, but I don't want to risk it," A: that would have been a lot more believable, and B: It would have been a sensational end to his story that he stopped his wild guessing just in time.
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Post by trevor on Apr 21, 2020 20:31:31 GMT -5
Yeah, when he chose to play, it was quite clear that Ingram had “cheat” written all over him.
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Post by panampat on Apr 21, 2020 22:45:34 GMT -5
No question. If Charles had a brain in the world, he would have walked with £250,000, once he realized he backed himself into a corner with Q14 so badly that anyone with eyes could see what he was doing. I think that's what did him in and I think that's the thing that convinced us and so many others of his definite guilt. He dug himself too deep with Berlin, first by saying "I think it's Berlin" right off the bat, and then declaring "It's more a German name than an Italian name, Parisian name, or an Athens name." His transition to Paris from Berlin was a complete, out of the blue 180. It made no sense. If he was smart, he wouldn't have jumped on an answer within 5 seconds of it coming up and he certainly wouldn't have tried to justify it within 10 seconds of that (with a line of reasoning that essentially definitively ruled out Paris). His flip-flopping back and forth for the next 90 seconds did him in. |
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Post by BMG_Games on Apr 22, 2020 3:00:43 GMT -5
No question. If Charles had a brain in the world, he would have walked with £250,000, once he realized he backed himself into a corner with Q14 so badly that anyone with eyes could see what he was doing. I think that's what did him in and I think that's the thing that convinced us and so many others of his definite guilt. He dug himself too deep with Berlin, first by saying "I think it's Berlin" right off the bat, and then declaring "It's more a German name than an Italian name, Parisian name, or an Athens name." His transition to Paris from Berlin was a complete, out of the blue 180. It made no sense. If he was smart, he wouldn't have jumped on an answer within 5 seconds of it coming up and he certainly wouldn't have tried to justify it within 10 seconds of that (with a line of reasoning that essentially definitively ruled out Paris). His flip-flopping back and forth for the next 90 seconds did him in. Furthermore, the switching from A1 to Craig David a bit earlier in the game must already have raised some suspicion. I think the sudden turn between Berlin and Paris just confirmed it all to the producing team. |
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Post by kplewisvox on Apr 22, 2020 13:54:57 GMT -5
Furthermore, the switching from A1 to Craig David a bit earlier in the game must already have raised some suspicion. I think the sudden turn between Berlin and Paris just confirmed it all to the producing team. Yeah, it's one thing to say "I'm using strategy to go against my instinct" when £15,000 is at risk, quite another when £218,000 is at risk. |
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) I guess the next on will be Poland then...
